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Transcript — Terre Haute Board of Public Works, 2026-08-10

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  • 0:00:00 [t=0] Speaker 0: Request from the Four Square Gospel Church to close Elm Street from North 12th, North 13th, and two alleys on either side of Elm on October 31st from 4am to 9pm for the first purpose party. How are we talking about this already?
  • 0:00:16 [t=16] Speaker 2: right now it's fall it's fall the alleys on the other side of allen between north and north 12th and north 13th on november 22nd during the annual events giving basket giveaway and december 20th during the annual basket giveaway i will say that we have a favorable
  • 0:00:34 [t=34] Speaker 0: recommendation from engineering from the street department and traffic
  • 0:00:46 [t=46] Speaker 6: Is there anyone here? Yes, ma'am. Hi, how are you?
  • 0:00:49 [t=49] Speaker 9: I'm doing okay.
  • 0:00:50 [t=50] Speaker 10: Good.
  • 0:00:51 [t=51] Speaker 11: You're exactly right. Just yesterday we thought about we need to start selecting candy.
  • 0:00:56 [t=56] Speaker 16: And when you think about how many of the thousand people make them through that parking lot, and that's a lot of candy. Yeah.
  • 0:01:05 [t=65] Speaker 19: It is a lot of candy. Well, it looks like we have favorable recommendations. How many years have you been doing this?
  • 0:01:11 [t=71] Speaker 20: This will be our 39th. Wow. we used to do it when it was smaller in our church basement and there's not enough room
  • 0:01:21 [t=81] Speaker 11: uh so plus our pantry is down in the basement now so that kind of just put it outside and uh we mark off across the street to the south of us is a beauty parlor and when we block off that alley I always ask, I can't, I don't demand, but I ask if we have extra parking barriers because I block off their parking lot to be a good neighbor because they don't know anybody on the block. And so that's on both occasions that way we just want to make neighbors happen.
  • 0:01:57 [t=117] Speaker 26: It looks like the barricades will be dropped off on Thursday, October 29th.
  • 0:02:08 [t=128] Speaker 30: All right, we have a motion to approve. Second.
  • 0:02:14 [t=134] Speaker 36: And second. Any further discussion, questions, comments? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.
  • 0:02:23 [t=143] Speaker 37: Motion carries. You're left. Robin.
  • 0:02:27 [t=147] Thank you. The court is there too. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
  • 0:02:33 [t=153] Speaker 36: Next we have a request from VNR Automotive and repair to Club Unorm 13 from Club Soda to Walthamette Avenue on September 25th from 4 to 9 during the annual customer appreciation event.
  • 0:02:45 [t=165] Speaker 0: Hello.
  • 0:02:46 [t=166] Speaker 49: How are you? Good.
  • 0:02:47 [t=167] Speaker 0: You did this last year, didn't you?
  • 0:02:49 [t=169] We did.
  • 0:02:49 [t=169] Speaker 49: We're going to do it every year after that.
  • 0:02:51 [t=171] Speaker 19: All right. Good.
  • 0:02:54 [t=174] All right. Bigger and bigger. Good.
  • 0:02:56 [t=176] Speaker 19: Well, we do have a favorable recommendation.
  • 0:03:00 [t=180] I take it here again.
  • 0:03:02 [t=182] Speaker 19: We're going to continue in.
  • 0:03:05 [t=185] We do have a favorable recommendation.
  • 0:03:07 [t=187] Speaker 0: from the traffic division. The street's not in there, but I can't imagine.
  • 0:03:19 [t=199] Speaker 61: Ted did ask that the entrance to the library be left open up there. Oh, yeah.
  • 0:03:28 [t=208] Speaker 66: So that's kind of like a funky, yeah. I talked to her last year about it, too. Like, we don't need any business before it's live. Okay.
  • 0:03:35 [t=215] Speaker 71: I did go over and talk to her because she comes in our job shop. I have a good relationship with her.
  • 0:03:44 [t=224] Speaker 74: Just to make sure that you're often communicating with.
  • 0:03:48 [t=228] Speaker 26: He's saying between 1600 and 1700 and that time would be?
  • 0:03:53 [t=233] Speaker 77: Four or five. Thank you.
  • 0:03:56 [t=236] That's the night. That's the night.
  • 0:04:00 [t=240] Speaker 66: That's the night. Yeah, they usually after 4 o'clock they really don't get anybody to transfer.
  • 0:04:09 [t=249] Speaker 85: As long as you communicate that to them again this year that would be great. Alright, do we have a motion?
  • 0:04:21 [t=261] Speaker 88: Thank you.
  • 0:04:25 [t=265] And we have a second. Any further discussion, comments, questions?
  • 0:04:31 [t=271] Speaker 34: hearing them all those in favor signify by saying hi
  • 0:04:35 [t=275] Speaker 92: next we have a maintenance agreement thank you good luck
  • 0:04:41 [t=281] Speaker 36: next we have a maintenance agreement it's the terrorist one phase
  • 0:04:47 [t=287] Speaker 96: yeah good morning so the maintenance agreement was in connection with the general
  • 0:04:51 [t=291] Speaker 97: or the ordinance um approved that spring before
  • 0:04:56 [t=296] Speaker 99: so basically um it says about the developer should be maintaining the
  • 0:05:01 [t=301] Speaker 100: being increased installed if the developer or that development requires a land disturbance permit
  • 0:05:08 [t=308] Speaker 99: and it's also in connection with the item requirements that we should be inspecting the post-construction development in the in the agreement it states that a city employee or
  • 0:05:23 [t=323] Speaker 101: inspector can have access to that um private property with respect to this student piece
  • 0:05:31 [t=331] Speaker 103: so they're the ones doing the maintenance but you have
  • 0:05:37 [t=337] Speaker 104: we can
  • 0:05:39 [t=339] Speaker 103: have access to inspection
  • 0:05:43 [t=343] Speaker 107: when this is done that development gets turned over to the city
  • 0:05:49 [t=349] Speaker 110: yeah at which time does that happen and then the city will be responsible for the maintenance after that
  • 0:05:57 [t=357] Speaker 99: No, the ordinance says that it should be recorded with the flat of the, let's say the terrorist again. So for example, there's an HOA being organized in that subdivision. It should be transferred to the HOA from the developer. I mean from the developer going to the HOA that agreement. And we also require them to create a maintenance and operations manual. So in that manual it states there all over how each BMP should be maintained or inspected, what is the frequency for inspections of the vendor. And well I mean the city will just
  • 0:06:48 [t=408] Speaker 99: inspect it based on items department but not technically maintaining the the
  • 0:06:57 [t=417] Speaker 114: jim is your question about the road or the storm water in the everything yeah
  • 0:07:04 [t=424] Speaker 116: here so what i just can't let me rephrase it i'm so the developer is going to pay for all the
  • 0:07:11 [t=431] Speaker 119: infrastructure improvements that's the plane right we're just going to make sure that they're doing it according to the specifications that are required correct and then it's going to be once
  • 0:07:21 [t=441] Speaker 125: it's completed the maintenance of those roads and everything will be covered to the city and
  • 0:07:27 [t=447] be something that will be the taxes generated will make the maintenance of it and all right
  • 0:07:35 [t=455] Speaker 132: the hoa will take care of some of the other challenges which is like right away easements And then in the operating agreement, the way that stormwater is, there's even like three types of grass that the plant and I saw Fishbeck, because there's three neighborhoods conjoined by this one plot. Fishbeck had to analyze the stormwater requirements, not just a Terra Vista Glen phase three, but phase three, phase two, and and then Denny Woods or Dobbs Glen?
  • 0:08:11 [t=491] Speaker 141: Dobbs Glen and Waterloo. So it's gotten, it's gotten funky. Yeah, that's okay. The road is the,
  • 0:08:18 [t=498] Speaker 132: the question, like what you guys and the average person sees is like the road and stormwater. That's like the easy cycle of conversation.
  • 0:08:27 [t=507] Speaker 148: Okay, the HOA is gonna have to handle this. Well the HOA is H3O1.
  • 0:08:32 [t=512] Speaker 150: That's a good question. I don't know because I live in Pace too, So that's what I was wondering, okay.
  • 0:08:38 [t=518] Speaker 153: So, curious.
  • 0:08:40 [t=520] Speaker 154: And then it will be what? 50 oms? 50, 40, 50, 40.
  • 0:08:46 [t=526] Speaker 159: Okay.
  • 0:08:47 [t=527] Speaker 154: What determines when a subdivision, when it gets turned over?
  • 0:09:00 [t=540] Speaker 2: Like, for example, I live in Bertrand. I think HOA and HOA pays for snow removal and things like that.
  • 0:09:10 [t=550] Speaker 162: I never thought of it until just now. So why is that an HOA thing in that city?
  • 0:09:16 [t=556] Speaker 147: Correct me if I'm wrong, but because that neighborhood hasn't been completed. That's right. I think those Birch roads do I not accept it.
  • 0:09:24 [t=564] Speaker 100: The Birchron basic dollar database for visa roads is the right part of the Massiveus drive. i think the older of the verges is the one that we've accepted whichever one that
  • 0:09:49 [t=589] Speaker 172: so here's what they'll do they won't go all out with the rubber so the road won't be built and
  • 0:09:55 [t=595] Speaker 141: they'll do some kind of cheapo asphalt concrete mix that leads to a lot of the holes they will
  • 0:10:02 [t=602] Speaker 178: do sidewalks but they'll do sidewalks like this instead of like the actual ada required sidewalks and then you'll see cheaper storm water so you'll see like some dry well and drains
  • 0:10:13 [t=613] Speaker 132: and in some of these neighborhoods if you go through you can literally see the pvc tire that's coming out from the home straight into the storm water so the developer can save
  • 0:10:24 [t=624] Speaker 178: money based on the road work the storm water and cycling and then they'll claim okay right when I finish the neighborhood and build the last home, then I'll upgrade those utilities
  • 0:10:36 [t=636] Speaker 141: and transfer it over to the city. The problem that we see in communities like Terahut,
  • 0:10:43 [t=643] Speaker 132: Mishawaka, South Bend, Elkhart, is it will take, because some of these developers can get older, and they'll drag this out 30 years, because their private margin probably shows four homes a year ago. And so by the time they get towards the end, they just, I mean, we've seen entire companies dissolve. That we can't get a hold of them. And so now, so you get the tax benefit and your company's dissolve and then you're done.
  • 0:11:11 [t=671] Speaker 178: There's really two approaches that they were going to develop. The Jared Grable approach, which is my company
  • 0:11:17 [t=677] Speaker 132: is coming to Tarot to focus on these 54 or less homes. There's a conversation about reducing it.
  • 0:11:24 [t=684] Speaker 178: The other approach is I'm going to buy 40 watts or I'm going to buy acreage and make it 40 lots. In over 20 years, I'm going to do this. We are looking at how, with that second option, we can come in and say, okay, well, if you're looking like you're not getting finished, we need to force you to sell the remainder of the lots
  • 0:11:42 [t=702] Speaker 141: to other builders to get this thing complete. It's been tough. Early 2000s really killed the city in this conversation. I think your neighborhood's an example of one where we have, you know, we're stuck.
  • 0:11:58 [t=718] Speaker 183: I mean, there are some developers who bond and wasn't even probably turned in
  • 0:12:02 [t=722] Speaker 178: before we had our electronic systems together. So you can't go back on the bottom. But Norman and the team is really staying on
  • 0:12:10 [t=730] Speaker 141: the new developments to keep them up to speed and going the right direction. The city does have the legal ability to not waive, but amend some of its rules with some of these older neighborhoods to say if you do the road
  • 0:12:29 [t=749] Speaker 132: in the stormwater we'll take care of the sidewalk within 10 years back in and half of it that's also a two-way relationship and sometimes we don't have a two-way relationship with some of these builders from decades ago that did take advantage of the whole system so like in a neighborhood
  • 0:12:45 [t=765] Speaker 119: is it substantially complete what's the definition would like that you know would it be in this case you know what how complete will it be before the city assumes responsibility and then i'm just going to tell us my next question is who puts the final two-inch cap on there does the actual
  • 0:13:05 [t=785] Speaker 110: owner development they're supposed to do that because i don't think in birch north they've got that by the camera you see that would be the turn of a fire you know I would look
  • 0:13:17 [t=797] Speaker 147: at it and say you know so Jerry's waiting to be the two-inch cap on Mayflower
  • 0:13:24 [t=804] Speaker 141: proper which is what I did on because I'm the last house so when he does the rest of the development and he gets we're trying to limit the amount of construction vehicles that go on Mayflower and the new development. And once we get to a point where the amount of construction vehicles will not deter a two-inch cap at record speed, then you would transfer it.
  • 0:13:49 [t=829] Speaker 132: Okay. This is also a more difficult situation because it's phase three. Right. It's not phase one, two. I knew I'd add that because phase two, from last block, has been sold when construction started. but phase two to seven or eight years so once we get to probably the six or seven year mark of phase three then i you know my work but what's nice is with the residential tip so basically all the taxes in phase three now can go towards technically phase one phase two and coppler because those streets are feeding into basically hold on because of the tip that this is a residential
  • 0:14:30 [t=870] Speaker 132: This is a residential tip because the IFA so the state bonding for one yeah offers a two percentage loan a very low interest loan for infrastructure only for neighborhood development but instead of the city paying that back these homes will pay it back with the residential tip based off how
  • 0:14:55 [t=895] Speaker 213: quickly we build it turns a 20-year tip to do a 10-15 and then we can result once that develops so the developers are getting incentive to help capable of the infrastructure improvements and
  • 0:15:10 [t=910] Speaker 217: how much will that be just out of curiosity i think that one was do you want to talk about the
  • 0:15:16 [t=916] Speaker 218: top of your head that general one is that much you can actually do that i would have to i need
  • 0:15:20 [t=920] Speaker 116: you see this is and jero is looking at the second up in terrytown for the baseball field
  • 0:15:36 [t=936] Speaker 132: because what we're seeing is the barrier to entry for a large neighborhood of course is
  • 0:15:42 [t=942] Speaker 141: and if we try to let the developer do it you know we run into these 20-year problems right
  • 0:15:48 [t=948] Speaker 132: so the isa home loan combined with residential tip was created with two pieces of legislation over like four years at the state to allow cities to say here you go but we get the maintenance
  • 0:16:01 [t=961] Speaker 183: agreement we have our inspectors on site and we are intimately involved with your development
  • 0:16:07 [t=967] Speaker 132: so you you lose some control but you do get a kind of state funded subsidy for these the whole structure and that's where we're we're seeing kind of folks around jerry
  • 0:16:20 [t=980] Speaker 183: grableton take advantage of it who have established company but they're not you know they can't take on 20-year development because they probably retired in 10 years
  • 0:16:29 [t=989] Speaker 132: right so that's kind of that business sweet spot where we're seeing developments come out
  • 0:16:35 [t=995] Speaker 85: and the thrive incentive where does that fit into all of this so those are going away because arpa's
  • 0:16:42 [t=1002] Speaker 178: done ready 2.0 is almost all spoken for but even if you do a residential tip with an ifa home loan it probably at best covers 70 to 75 percent so you'll see thrive try to come in and capture
  • 0:16:56 [t=1016] Speaker 183: another 10 percent to get you closer to the edge but we're we're in a land where those are going away and frankly working with thrive we're pushing different thrive incentives towards your infill lots
  • 0:17:11 [t=1031] Speaker 178: or thrive is changing the model to where they're going to start doing a revolving club to help close that yeah so where the banks can come in at a certain
  • 0:17:20 [t=1040] Speaker 183: percentage based off the data what they see thrive can come in and assume a
  • 0:17:25 [t=1045] Speaker 85: little bit more risk very so the thrive there focus is going to be
  • 0:17:30 [t=1050] Speaker 178: Danville kind of that's where you'll see this next week but Liberty in
  • 0:17:37 [t=1057] Speaker 183: Cleveland or the middle 30 homes that we're developing here we've got seven started above ground you'll see the new seven of the Jovee the gardeners of the world with their 15 or less lot in field style developments and I think neighborhood and why is it's just it's good for drive to be a player don't get me wrong but there's just so many layers here that make it difficult in frankly space-wise you all see the how quickly the each side there's only so much space within the same limits to have these owner agreement conversations we probably realistically if we're looking for
  • 0:18:16 [t=1096] Speaker 183: four more and that's if we stretch it so back to the maintenance so it's this conversation is
  • 0:18:26 [t=1106] Speaker 85: stirring up a lot of questions in my brain so the bear creek is it there the one at heartridge so
  • 0:18:34 [t=1114] Speaker 162: They're still underdevelopment or is the infrastructure done? No, it is not done. They're starting a new...
  • 0:18:41 [t=1121] Speaker 155: Probably, they're less than halfway through. We don't have one of these for them to do.
  • 0:18:46 [t=1126] Speaker 249: No. We have a sewer treatment for them. We have a sewer treatment for them. Sewers are...
  • 0:18:51 [t=1131] Speaker 110: When you said they're half done, are they going to put another entrance there? Are they going to put another... It's going to be you. It's going to be you back, okay. It's going to be you towards the middle.
  • 0:19:00 [t=1140] Speaker 183: Let's, and here's how I'll be able to be afraid to this.
  • 0:19:06 [t=1146] Speaker 178: That conversation is a little bit closer to some of the problems we're having with previous conversation reference.
  • 0:19:14 [t=1154] Speaker 254: That's where my mind was going. I was like, wow.
  • 0:19:17 [t=1157] Speaker 178: That's an example of some of the frustrations and why he's doing what he's doing with this group.
  • 0:19:24 [t=1164] Speaker 257: I'm trying to, yeah. Because I was thinking that they don't have.
  • 0:19:28 [t=1168] Speaker 259: i can say that we don't have a maintenance agreement or would you want one um we have
  • 0:19:36 [t=1176] Speaker 261: reached out to that developer and asked that he get on track with the developer right
  • 0:19:43 [t=1183] Speaker 183: we've asked him to do what the developer's doing working with
  • 0:19:48 [t=1188] Speaker 99: just so for example a developer create or make a development so he will apply for that
  • 0:19:55 [t=1195] Speaker 100: disturbance permit if the service is more than an acre but the land disturbance permit is more on during construction so during the construction the permit is good for five years really inspecting that area so for example if i'm doing a final inspection for one of the buildings i would do a
  • 0:20:14 [t=1214] Speaker 99: um this man's disturbance inspection and i've been sending him the reports but they i mean he's not
  • 0:20:21 [t=1221] Speaker 100: responding so I forward it to Alicia for enforcement but the maintenance agreement is more on the post construction so let's say that very quickly is already done everything is already so the maintenance agreement says that after that construction since we will not be inspecting it during construction phase um those spawn those swales should be maintained by the developer unless there's a visual area
  • 0:20:53 [t=1253] Speaker 96: so that's the difference between the land stream instrument and this maintenance
  • 0:20:58 [t=1258] Speaker 272: and those are from idem being a stormwater and this i've been like so shocked but it doesn't
  • 0:21:04 [t=1264] Speaker 178: make some sense so idem basically creates these lame disturbance permits to really honor the
  • 0:21:11 [t=1271] Speaker 132: the stormwater swale conversation the enforcement authority for the city and county because you have to have certifications is actually alicia down in wastewater so you will see there's when you're building you have your traditional building permit your right away permit and then you have a land disturbance permit that is not through the city or county could enforce through a city or county
  • 0:21:36 [t=1296] Speaker 279: employee as a conversation with either in case you wanted more appropriate i mean during that
  • 0:21:45 [t=1305] Speaker 61: during your development you create all of this uh you're clearing trees you're clearing the grass yeah creating all this extra runoff there has to be a plan in place to control that runoff that's
  • 0:21:59 [t=1319] one part of it that's the land disturbance part of it and then once you actually go
  • 0:22:04 [t=1324] Speaker 61: under construction and development you have to have another plan for storm water control related
  • 0:22:10 [t=1330] Speaker 290: to that so that's because there's about 400 homes in water tree that probably were borderline they
  • 0:22:16 [t=1336] Speaker 132: were built 25 years ago that we're aggressively looking at trying to work with those marcus has met with those homeowners like based off what they could legally do here's where we should put the dry well and that's the unfortunate side of the conversation because we didn't have a strict System it is what the state wants to have which I know I agree. I'm not big on regulation. I agree with these regulations It doesn't matter when you have giant trees and green space in between neighborhoods
  • 0:22:48 [t=1368] Speaker 178: But because you don't own all those neighborhoods and those parcels of land when they start to be sold You have to be very judicious especially with clearing of land and you get a two inch rainfall You really got to watch that
  • 0:23:03 [t=1383] Speaker 85: So, with that 80 more years, we put a hundred year flood, but when it did hit before, when
  • 0:23:12 [t=1392] Speaker 304: home and lay, I mean, our house turned out at the lowest on the sewer. So, when everything started gurgling and coming up through the tubs and the toilets and the
  • 0:23:26 [t=1406] Speaker 155: showers, I mean, that was our flood damage, but the house behind got four feet of water water in the basement. It was just such a bizarre... I mean, none of it made sense to... A new tradition.
  • 0:23:38 [t=1418] Speaker 304: Yeah, but there was one house that, I mean, it was... I'd get sat there for years all molded and all that.
  • 0:23:49 [t=1429] Speaker 314: There's only so much stuff up there. Well, one of the seven inches of rain in one night. Yeah.
  • 0:23:57 [t=1437] Speaker 110: I remember that, because I remember staying up all night
  • 0:23:59 [t=1439] Speaker 316: one eye open going oh my god how am i going to control this i hear that gurgling noise now i'm
  • 0:24:05 [t=1445] Speaker 318: sure you're all right marnie back to you so thank you sorry very good conversation
  • 0:24:17 [t=1457] Speaker 30: so i need a motion all right all those in favor stay good everybody say hi Aye.
  • 0:24:27 [t=1467] Speaker 327: Motion carries. Next we have April. Motion approved. Second.
  • 0:24:31 [t=1471] Speaker 328: All those in favor signify by saying aye.
  • 0:24:32 [t=1472] Aye. Next we have claims. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any other old business coming for the board? Hearing none, I didn't think I would be good here. Eight hundred seconds. New business.
  • 0:24:41 [t=1481] Speaker 59: Any other old business coming for the board?
  • 0:24:47 [t=1487] Speaker 103: Are you not? I didn't think I was going to do it here.
  • 0:24:52 [t=1492] Speaker 330: A couple people think I'm good.
  • 0:24:59 [t=1499] Speaker 333: You guys done?
  • 0:25:00 [t=1500] Speaker 334: Did you adjourn?
  • 0:25:04 [t=1504] Speaker 335: Okay.