# Transcript — Terre Haute City Council, 2026-03-05

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- **0:00:00** [t=0] **Speaker 0:** The regular meeting of the Terre Haute City Council on Thursday, March 5th, 2026. The first item on the agenda is a moment of silence and pledge of allegiance to the flag. This evening the pledge will be led by Councilperson Tammy Boland. Council President, can we dedicate the moment of silence to the six soldiers who lost their lives in Coaches, please?
- **0:00:30** [t=30] **Speaker 11:** I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which
- **0:00:41** [t=41] **Speaker 12:** it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
- **0:00:48** [t=48] **Speaker 21:** Michelle, will you please call the roll?
- **0:01:02** [t=62] **Speaker 22:** Councilperson Azar. Present. Councilperson Boland. Present.
- **0:01:05** [t=65] **Speaker 25:** Councilperson Chalos. I'm present. Councilperson DeBond. Here. Councilperson Dingle. Present. Councilperson Hinton. Present. Councilperson Loudermilk. Present. Councilperson Nation. Here. Councilperson Thompson. Eight are present, one is absent.
- **0:01:22** [t=82] **Speaker 31:** Thank you. At this time, we reserve up to 30 minutes of time for public comment on items not on the agenda.
- **0:01:29** [t=89] **Speaker 33:** First this evening, we'll have a presentation from Thrive West Central.
- **0:01:44** [t=104] **Speaker 36:** All right. Thank you so much.
- **0:01:47** [t=107] **Speaker 38:** All right, good evening, members of the City Council. Thank you so much for allowing us a few minutes here to come and kind of present the progress on the ARPA housing that you guys were so generous to trust with us. I have a really kind of thorough report, and I would encourage you to ask a lot of questions. And, you know, I think we're making tremendous progress on everything that we've been doing. Just to kind of set the record straight for folks who may be new or are not familiar with us, Thrivewood Central has been around since 1968. We're a 501c3 nonprofit.
- **0:02:20** [t=140] **Speaker 38:** We're structured in four different areas of work, economic and community development. We're an area agency on aging. We do transportation data collection as well as transit services, and then we also do housing solutions here now for communities. The first thing I'd like to start off with is just our housing data. So this first infographic kind of shows you Vigo County as a whole. It shows you that to date, this is what we've seen. This includes ARPA dollars as well as some REDI units as well. And so in Vigo County as a whole, we're up to 560 units.
- **0:03:05** [t=185] **Speaker 38:** What you have in the printed version, I fat fingered my presentation. I realized on the time when I was coming over here that I didn't also have the secondary graph in. I thought I copied and pasted both, but I only did the one. So I printed off the copy for you all to see just specifically for the City of Terre Haute. So City of Terre Haute housing specifically has been 392 units to date. We have a, so far of our project dollars, we are at $2.7 million invested, and we've had an $82 million in private investment to that. So a lot of these housing units are still getting developed.
- **0:03:51** [t=231] **Speaker 38:** They're under contract to finish later this year, but we've had some already completed, some have not. Based on where we look at residential and then multifamily housing in with this, currently we are sitting at a collective at 100% of the estimated kind of tax value, your assessed value, if they were all 100%, you'd be at $954,958 estimatedly if you're at 100% assessed value. Now, we all know that none of our assessed values are generally at 100%. They're always lower than that.
- **0:04:27** [t=267] **Speaker 38:** And then starting to take into consideration what Senate Enroll Act 1 is going to look like in your assessed value as well, I like to estimate somewhere around 68 to 70 percent of what the assessed value is going to be for the tax collection. So to date, looking at just what's on this infographic that you see, at that 70 percent assessed value, you're at $668,740. And that gives you kind of an annual increase of what you would see now coming back in for tax collection on just those units.
- **0:05:02** [t=302] **Speaker 38:** So just thinking about recouping your initial $5 million ARPA investment, you can do the math on that, so it would be a little less in 10 years. Now, by the time we finish, you're going to see a lot more coming back with that. I'm hoping that we can stretch that up north of $800,000, if not a little bit more, is where I'm hoping to estimate. And that's just the work that we're doing. The work outside of us where folks are finding private financing and they're going on at their own, that's not captured in what this is. So we're starting to track that data.
- **0:05:36** [t=336] **Speaker 38:** We've been really kind of looking at building permit data and trying to assess what all of that looks like through Vigo County and the city of Terre Haute. And we're following along with that. Last year in 2025, between the city of Terre Haute and Michelle, does that also include Vigo County? in Vigo County, building permit data, we pulled 1,049 units to be constructed. Now that's pulling the permit in 25. There would obviously be a period of development time for that. So that's quite a bit of housing growth that we're seeing.
- **0:06:16** [t=376] **Speaker 38:** We're on target for what our regional goal was, which if you remember when I first came to you, I said the regional target was between 3,800 and 4,500 units by 2030. we are going to hit that. We are going to surpass that in our region. And that's really just looking at Vigo County with the 1,049 units that we've calculated off of everything that's going on. And we still have 26, and we still then have funding coming down the road for 27 and 28 as well. So we are continuing to really make a lot of headway here. And I think you're going to see
- **0:06:50** [t=410] **Speaker 38:** a lot of really great returns on your investment for investing in housing, because it's going to come right back through tax collection and give you a lot more in your budget to play with as you're starting to say, oh my gosh, Senate Enrolled Act 1 is going to cut our budget majorly. What are we going to do? We're going to give it to you right back in new housing. Any questions before I move on past the data? Okay, great. So I have lots of things to talk about. I want to highlight first the Liberty Avenue neighborhood housing projects that we're doing. So as you know,
- **0:07:23** [t=443] **Speaker 38:** part of that $5 million also had a million dollars dedicated towards a catalyst project. This is where we've decided to do the catalyst project, and there's a reason that we're doing it in this area. So one, it's historically, for a long time, it's really not seen much investment. It has some of the lowest property values in the city of Terre Haute, and it has a lot of vacancy on open lots in there because it's just been underdeveloped. We want to invest, when it's all said and done, I think it will be close to $5 million building 28 new single family homes, three bed, two baths.
- **0:08:03** [t=483] **Speaker 38:** Some will have garages, some will not. Right now, the comps in that area range from about $129 to about $143, $145. So we will start our first house somewhere around $148 to $150, and we'll start to build the comps up. We'll get it above the 60% area median income threshold, which is going to be about $164, and our target price is somewhere between $164 and $180 as we're starting to build all 28 of them. We think our market cap is probably going to be around $180,000, give or take, but if we can go a little higher and folks are in the market can bear it, absolutely we'd love to get there.
- **0:08:47** [t=527] **Speaker 38:** So what that does is, one, it starts to put a lot more investment in that Liberty Avenue, and you start to see a ton of redevelopment in that area. And I think all of us could say that would be a terrific thing to do for the city of Terre Haute, for the residents that live there to improve their property values. Secondly, it is going to support my hypothesis a little bit, that if we're able to go and build new construction housing in an area that's been constantly underserved for years, we will be able to reset what that property value market threshold looks
- **0:09:20** [t=560] **Speaker 38:** like. So we're basically raising the baseline from here all the way up to here. And now every piece of property in Terre Haute that's a vacant lot now could be actually sold rather than given away. So the government doesn't have to just take a loss on it for the demo, for the upkeep and the
- **0:09:36** [t=576] **Speaker 38:** maintenance, they're actually able to sell it. And then two, you would be able to then have all sorts of opportunities now for private developers to come in and build at the housing that they're choosing that fits that neighborhood and goes right into it. So it basically raises the tide of all the ships in Terre Haute and it resets what our baseline is. So I'm thrilled about that as a catalyst project and I'm really looking forward to seeing how we can do that. It's going to be extremely challenging. Right now, we had
- **0:10:06** [t=606] **Speaker 38:** bids open from late December all the way up through the early part of February. We spent the last several weeks kind of comparing apples to apples on our bids, and we just got to the point where we decided to move forward with an initial contractor, and now we're working to see how can we, our bids came in a little high on our subcontractors, but a lot of folks only bid seven houses instead of the full 28. So we're going to go back through and say, how do we get bulk pricing on some of these things and how do we get that price down a little bit more
- **0:10:37** [t=637] **Speaker 38:** so we can actually make it to where we need to because right now a lot of the bids came in between 160 to 180 with just building the house but they didn't factor in where we're going to have to help with closing costs we're going to have to have some down payment assistance we're going to have to have other permits and fees incidental prices so we need to we need to trim that off just a little bit more to really make it work but more will be coming in that project very soon and I'm super thrilled with it. Any questions? Okay. Next is the Indiana State University
- **0:11:11** [t=671] **Speaker 38:** partnership. So Indiana State University, as you all know, gave a whole bunch of parcels that they had extra land of and as they were kind of consolidating in their size and streamlining down, it went through the city of Terre Haute and through redevelopment. They have 74 parcels there. We have now identified those parcels. We have an active interactive map on our website that you can click on it. You can see exactly where it is. Those parcels are for sale and they do have an ARPA infrastructure incentive with them. We are working with our very first developer
- **0:11:44** [t=704] **Speaker 38:** who we think has a good opportunity to take a large first bite out of that project. It's always a little risky. Nobody wants to be the first, you know, because you have to reset the comps. So the first person is going to be that one that goes out on that ledge and says, you know what, I can do this. I'm going to get, I'm going to be brave and I'm going to reset those comps. So we're going to walk with that person every step of the way. We're almost to a point where they're ready to come to a redevelopment commission meeting. The redevelopment commission
- **0:12:15** [t=735] **Speaker 38:** will be voting on those projects, not Thrive. And we are just acting as the partner within the community to work with redevelopment in the city of Terre Haute. So we're super thrilled with that. That's 74 parcels. We look to have a good portion of those all developed this year, if not all of them under contract, absolutely. Construction may not all finish this year, but the projects will be well and going at that time. Last but not, or well, I've got a couple more slides here. This is just the project as a whole, just to remind you of how we divided up what that $5 million looked like.
- **0:12:53** [t=773] **Speaker 38:** So $2.55 million was going into grant funding for specific projects. We set aside $1 million between the city of Terre Haute and Diego County for a revolving loan fund for housing. You'll see a press release later this month for that to come out. And so instead of just giving things away as grant funding, we will now do a low-interest revolving loan. to builders to be able to use and cycle in and out. What we didn't want to see happen was we spend all of this in just grant funding. It's used one time and it's done.
- **0:13:25** [t=805] **Speaker 38:** Now we have a tool that will recycle back and forth, back and forth in perpetuity, and it will continue to long last what this initial catalyst money looked like. The county matched it with a million, so now we'll have a two million work in and out of all of Vigo County, and we'll continue to revolve that in and out. What that also does is that creates a new builder pipeline. A lot of our existing builders today, they started before the economic recession of 2008. It was so much easier to get money to go build projects. Now, if you walk into a lender, boy, and you're trying to build on spec,
- **0:14:00** [t=840] **Speaker 38:** and you're a brand new person stepping into that market, super, super tough. And so we're now going to be able to be a partner with the private sector to de-risk what that project looks like And again, keep revolving that in and out for years to come. So when all this initial grant funding is done, we will see building just keep going and keep going here. Next is housing programs. So there's a federal program out there through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That is called the Hoosier Homes Plus program.
- **0:14:35** [t=875] **Speaker 38:** That's where Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac at the federal level will match up to 2%, 2.5% for down payment assistance. And if we contribute locally also with that match, then we can get up to a full 4% to 5% down payment assistance. And that is designed to, one, help first or second time, third time homebuyers who are looking to buy a house in our community in Vigo County or City of Terre Haute. and two, that acts as a no interest rider on their mortgage. So it takes the down payment off, it acts as a rider, and then after 84 months, seven years, it falls off. So each month it takes a little off.
- **0:15:19** [t=919] **Speaker 38:** If they sell their house and they move in that time, no big deal. They pay that portion back to us and then we would go and do it again. So it really starts to create a little bit of a reason to stay in Terre Haute, not just buy a house, live here for a few years and then move on. It gives people a lot of pause and says, man, this community is vesting in me. I should stay here because otherwise I'm going to have to pay that 5% down back. But it's a great deal for folks. So to date, the collective total between the federal and the local match is $146,000. So $73,000 has been our local out of
- **0:15:57** [t=957] **Speaker 38:** a $500,000 pool is what we've done so far. Yes, sir.
- **0:16:01** [t=961] **Speaker 45:** How would a young person or someone take advantage of this program? Who would they get a hold of?
- **0:16:05** [t=965] **Speaker 41:** Just go right to our website. We have a special page. Then go to thrivewestcentral.com
- **0:16:10** [t=970] **Speaker 38:** and click on the drop-down menu under housing and it says Club 720. Go right there. You sign up and that goes right through our special portal and then we can see kind of everything. We can help them through the pipeline.
- **0:16:22** [t=982] **Speaker 41:** We can get them connected to wherever they need to be connected and go right to it. Great question. Yes, ma'am.
- **0:16:29** [t=989] **Speaker 48:** Are we using local lenders for that now? Because I know in the beginning there wasn't anybody local that was participating in that.
- **0:16:36** [t=996] **Speaker 38:** Yeah, so we had First Financial and the Hometown Savings Bank. Both were looking into it. Right now, the Hometown Savings Bank, they keep a lot of their mortgages in-house. They don't go and sell them off to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. And so that was a program that right now they weren't interested in doing. First Financial is somewhere in that process of completing it, but I don't think they've completed it all the way yet. So it goes with lenders who are here, but also statewide, so like Ruoff Mortgage and things like that,
- **0:17:07** [t=1027] **Speaker 38:** where they have offices in our community, but they're not necessarily like a Terre Haute-specific lender or anything in that. Now, what we have been doing is working with this because Land Home Financial is the lender that covers the state of Indiana in the federal loan program with that. We've been working with them and Stiefel, who is their national kind of broker in between, to see how can we get more local bank lenders in this program, especially if they want to service their own loans. If they don't want to sell them off to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
- **0:17:41** [t=1061] **Speaker 38:** how can we still get the 2.5% from the federal source but keep the money in the community? So we're close to finding an agreement and a solution. Most likely it's going to evolve those banks contributing some of their CRA money, their community, what is that, Reinvestment Act money. And if they're able to put some of their CRA money into this program in our pool, then I think we're going to be able to get that deal done so they can service their own loans and we no longer have to use the, you know, use the ones that are going outside of our area.
- **0:18:16** [t=1096] **Speaker 52:** I appreciate that because, I mean, it's a new program, so we knew you'd have to work through some of those things. I appreciate that information. Thank you.
- **0:18:22** [t=1102] **Speaker 41:** Absolutely.
- **0:18:23** [t=1103] **Speaker 38:** We're only the second region in our state to use it, and we're probably the power user of it right at this moment. The Fort Wayne, it's been up in Fort Wayne a little longer, and I think they're starting to really catch on and go through it. But we've worked through more kinks than anybody else this problem. Most of the time they just agree with it and go on. But a lot of us, we're kind of saying, Julie has really been our champion on this. And she's like, wait a minute, that doesn't sound right. How does this work?
- **0:18:51** [t=1131] **Speaker 38:** And so we're building a lot of bridges in something that most people have just said, that's okay, I'll just keep moving. So we're working on it. It's been a lot of bumps and bruises.
- **0:19:03** [t=1143] **Speaker 54:** Not surprised. Thank you. Thank you, Julie.
- **0:19:06** [t=1146] **Speaker 38:** So last but not least here is our future funding. I wanted to be able to talk a few minutes. So we have Ready 2.0 that is coming down the pipe. We are going to see that. Of course, that's regional funding. It serves five counties in our RDA region. That will go through our Wabash River RDA, and it will be awarded here through Thrive again. It will operate very similar as Ready 1. We're going to be looking at about $1.65 million. In addition, we are really close to being able to sign a contract with our Lily Blight and Rehabilitation money.
- **0:19:41** [t=1181] **Speaker 38:** Before we sign the contract, you know, it's hard to guesstimate exactly, but what we've initially discussed, we had $11.6 million ask. We are going to be somewhere less than that. I think we're going to be total in what we have available that we're able to access through a couple different avenues is going to be around $8 million, give or take. A lot of that will be in a low interest revolving loan fund is how it will go out to projects for developers. But the great thing is we've been able to really work with IEDC on this and that will
- **0:20:21** [t=1221] **Speaker 38:** come back to our community and we'll be able to then create a long term revolving loan fund regionally to use it again and again. So until the ink is dry, I prefer that we hold our breath and we say our prayers and we hope that everything works out the way it should. But right now we're really hopeful that that's going to be the case. And then, you know, last but not least is really just the extra recap on what I talked a little bit about before is what would be the Vigo County and City of Terre Haute Revolving Loan Fund. That's the $1 million each.
- **0:20:54** [t=1254] **Speaker 38:** And, again, it will act just like that and it will keep that going. The only thing I haven't mentioned yet, and we talked about this when we first came, was a pattern book. And I know Mr. Nation was very interested in that, and I have been too. So we have went through several vendors, national and just in the state of Indiana, firms that do this work. We have had prices all the way up to $500,000 for a booklet, to $250,000, to $150,000 and beyond. And so I am pretty frugal when it comes to money, and that, for a booklet, I just couldn't do it.
- **0:21:34** [t=1294] **Speaker 38:** So we have been really kind of trying to find firms. I finally just landed one. I had a conversation with somebody about a week and a half ago. I've seen their work now twice. They're really reasonable, and I think we're going to be somewhere 30, 40-ish thousand to get everything we want at a reasonable price. So I'm waiting on them to come back with a proposal. I gave them the scope of work, and we're waiting here in March for them to get back with me so we can do that. We talked a little bit about price and what was realistic and what was not,
- **0:22:10** [t=1330] **Speaker 38:** and I really do think that this firm is going to be able to finally deliver on what we had hoped for, and then we will open that up to the public, and we'll allow members such as yourself and the general public to come and really talk about how we can develop a really rich pattern book that will help a lot of future growth, especially in our neighborhoods that are historic and we have open vacancies
- **0:22:31** [t=1351] **Speaker 42:** and people are looking to rebuild. What other questions do you have?
- **0:22:37** [t=1357] **Speaker 58:** Ryan, thanks for updating us on all this stuff. I appreciate the comments about the pattern book. I'm glad you've identified a vendor. I do have a question about revolving loan funds. You know, it's kind of hard to keep track for a lot of people who might participate in this program, builders, whatever. And as you meet with more success and get more units built and have these kinds of presentations, I think that there will be people who say, hey, what about us? you know, and I'm interested to that end in some more details about the revolving loan funds.
- **0:23:21** [t=1401] **Speaker 58:** I see that, you know, on one of your slides, you're calling out a million dollars in revolving loan funds for the city of Terre Haute and Vigo County. And I think that I understood that that was with the ARPA money. And then, you know, on another slide, it says about two million dollars in seed funds, in a revolving loan fund. Is that ready money, the second one?
- **0:23:50** [t=1430] **Speaker 64:** No, I'm sorry if that was confusing.
- **0:23:52** [t=1432] **Speaker 38:** It's a million from each of the city and then the county. So it collectively comes to be a $2 million. Okay, I understand.
- **0:24:01** [t=1441] **Speaker 41:** And I'm sorry if I haven't made that clear in my diagram. I'll work on that.
- **0:24:05** [t=1445] **Speaker 58:** No, actually you did mention that now that I think about it. So there's a million from the city and a million from the county that will be administered by you that will come back and continue to be available through revolving loan funds.
- **0:24:21** [t=1461] **Speaker 38:** Yes. Yep. Absolutely. And it's very similar to, we'll set it up very similar to how we do our small business loans. So we operate a $1.3 million small business revolving loan fund. And that goes out as quick as it comes back in. Right now we bring in about, everything's loaned out, and we bring in about 24-ish thousand a month in loan payments. And so usually when we get up to 30, 40, 50, there's usually candidates that will have, you know, will come in and they'll want it. And that's been about the right pace. With this, there might be a little larger loans.
- **0:24:54** [t=1494] **Speaker 38:** I think we do a max of 200,000 in that small business loan. With this, in building infrastructure, we would allow a little larger loans and want that. But we would try to do very short terms, maybe three to five years, depending on what their project is and how that capital is revolving in and out. Because we don't want it to just be an open line of credit where they're going to just use it and use it and use it. We want them to go and do, you know, the first few houses that they need to make. You know, they should be making a profit because that's how the private sector works.
- **0:25:26** [t=1526] **Speaker 38:** And then they may not need to use that revolving loan near as much and they can pay it back and it's available for other people.
- **0:25:32** [t=1532] **Speaker 72:** Great.
- **0:25:32** [t=1532] **Speaker 38:** I have lots of documentation. It's getting vetted by our legal team, but I'm always happy I'll come back and I'll present what that looks like so everybody can hear that in a public meeting as well.
- **0:25:44** [t=1544] **Speaker 58:** That's great. Also, just a couple more questions. On your Liberty Avenue neighborhood project, you called out 28 lot locations. These are lots that the city of Terre Haute owns, right?
- **0:25:57** [t=1557] **Speaker 38:** Yes, redevelopment. And then we purchased each of them because I wanted to set the model. We purchased each of them for $2,000 each. Instead of having them given to us, we went ahead and purchased them.
- **0:26:09** [t=1569] **Speaker 58:** Okay. So they were owned by the city of Terre Haute probably through taxes and other mechanisms. Okay. And you've identified, I assume there are more than 28 lots available in the Liberty Avenue neighborhood, so you picked 28 of them and bought them. All right, great. And then finally, in a similar vein with ISU, that's the 74 lot locations. Is that part or all of what ISU did?
- **0:26:46** [t=1606] **Speaker 38:** So I believe ISU, and I may be off by a number or two, and the mayor may be able to speak to this, but I believe they gave the city 111 parcels. By the time they were combined and kind of resurveyed and everything was done, it came to about 74 buildable sites with today's codes and standards for lot size.
- **0:27:08** [t=1628] **Speaker 58:** Can you characterize, you know, when I think about ISU's footprint in the last 25 years, to the north of campus between 3rd Street and 13th Street from the northern edge of campus, let's call it the CSS tracks, CSX tracks, up as far as they reach beyond Locust. But can you characterize where these 74 buildable lots land? Is it within that huge rectangle or is it in a specific place?
- **0:27:42** [t=1662] **Speaker 64:** They're all within that huge rectangle. I believe the easternmost does butt up against 13th Street there by Walgreens.
- **0:27:50** [t=1670] **Speaker 38:** And then I think the northernmost goes up to Locust Street and then cuts back west. So it's all within that kind of corridor up to the campus and adjacent.
- **0:28:02** [t=1682] **Speaker 58:** Okay, great. Last question. Also on the ISU partnership, you call out a $6,500 ARPA incentive per lot. and you mentioned that that was for infrastructure. Can you elaborate on that a little bit?
- **0:28:21** [t=1701] **Speaker 38:** Sure. There's a purchase price of those lots of $4,000 because we think they're valuable. They shouldn't just be given away. Also, then there's that $6,500 ARPA. We have that that is set up to do sewer laterals. It could be driveways if they're doing rear load garages into the alleys, sidewalk repair, waterline, you know, anything along that infrastructure wise, we have that. And we figured on average, there might be a little lot clearing grade, you know, some of these, a lot of these have trees on them. ISU planted a lot of trees, small sacred forests at this time,
- **0:28:59** [t=1739] **Speaker 38:** but some of them are a little bit larger overgrowth. But we calculated on average, it should cost somewhere between $6,500 and $7,500, probably maybe $8,000 for actual infrastructure of what it's going to take because you still have to run the laterals and you'll still have to do all the rest of that stuff. But a lot of these lots are fairly decent shape and they're ready to go. So that just goes to offsetting that infrastructure cost for the developer and getting them to be incentivized to build in that area where again there's a challenge with comps and
- **0:29:33** [t=1773] **Speaker 38:** that's been kind of the hesitation of our comparables are so low in that neighborhood that's why it's been a little slower for people to want to adopt and just jump right on and take them we weren't sure what kind of what kind of interest we were going to have with it at first we thought oh we're gonna have a ton of interest and they'll fly off the shelves what we found now Now there's been a couple months that it's been open, and what we've heard from a lot of developers is, boy, I want to do this, but I just don't know. The comps are so low, how can we get it going?
- **0:30:08** [t=1808] **Speaker 38:** I don't want to be the first one that's going to take the risk. So that's where we're really working diligently with the very first person who's getting, I think, getting a lot of courage up to do it, and then we're going to really work side by side with them.
- **0:30:22** [t=1822] **Speaker 58:** In summary, I think it's really good that we're focusing on these areas of the inner city that have had where government for whatever reason has come in and affected the clearing out of these neighborhoods. I, you know, I, I, some of this is in my district. The ISU footprint is definitely there. And I didn't want that to happen. But given that it's the way it is to see reinvestment happening, that's the thing that needs to happen next. I'm glad that there's a mechanism to do that. Thanks. I yield.
- **0:31:09** [t=1869] **Speaker 88:** Thank you so much.
- **0:31:13** [t=1873] **Speaker 89:** Thank you, Ryan.
- **0:31:15** [t=1875] **Speaker 91:** Thank you all so much. We really appreciate your time this evening.
- **0:31:21** [t=1881] **Speaker 93:** Next we have Dwayne Malone.
- **0:31:43** [t=1903] **Speaker 95:** Good evening, President Dinkle, Mayor Sackman, members of the Council.
- **0:31:53** [t=1913] **Speaker 98:** My name is Minister Dwayne Malone, and I am a lifelong resident of the city of Terre Haute. I come to you tonight guided by God's Holy Spirit and on behalf of the 13th Street Corridor Committee. I would like to remind some and introduce to others on the Council of the created economic development plans to bring growth and uplift for a quality of life for individuals living in and around the 13th Street corridor. In 2004, members of the Charles T. Height Community Center Board, along with members of the community, developed ideas and plans that would create healthy, vibrant communities
- **0:32:47** [t=1967] **Speaker 98:** in blighted neighborhoods in Terre Haute. These plans, with the assistance of West Central Economic Development Court, now known as Thrive, new residential, commercial, recreational, light manufacturing, educational, medical, and technology outlets within the corridor boundaries. The boundaries of the corridor of this project on the north side extended from Wabash to Maple Avenue, 13th Street to 25th Street. Southside boundaries run from Poplar Street to Voorhees, 10th Street to 17th Street. These plans were included in Vigo County's comprehensive plan for 25 years in 2025.
- **0:33:42** [t=2022] **Speaker 98:** In 2014, these plans became alive again under Mayor Bennett, but never gained the support of public funding for these visions. It has been wonderful to witness the work of this present administration through Mayor Sackman. Street sidewalks paving, Liberty Avenue housing project, the demolition of old homes and the creation of new. The concerns we have is that the vision and plans of the 13th Street corridor be not overlooked. and that we have an opportunity to work with the men.
- **0:34:29** [t=2069] **Speaker 98:** The other problem we have is that gentrification is not the process as growth and progress is made within these corridors. I believe the presentation you heard here tonight from Thrive is doing just that. And I would please ask you to look into that. I also ask this body to please create an ad hoc committee that would provide insight to the corridor committee for need of such economic outlets within our community. We need to know how these plans would create better quality of life for citizens living in and around the corridor.
- **0:35:14** [t=2114] **Speaker 98:** We also ask that this body for funding to create schematic renderings of the plans of the 13th Street Corridor project. It would assist us in gaining private and public funding to bring this project to fruition. On a second level, second, if you'll allow me to talk about housing, which was something else that was talked about tonight. JOAN INCORPORATED, WHICH IS A NON-FOR-PROFIT HOUSING ORGANIZATION DEVELOPED IN 1997, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND HOPEFULLY OUR CITY GOVERNMENT IN BUILDING 16 NEW HOMES.
- **0:35:58** [t=2158] **Speaker 98:** WE HAVE ASKED FOR 150, WE WILL BE ASKING FOR $150,000 FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS FROM CITY
- **0:36:08** [t=2168] **Speaker 99:** COFFERS AND COUNTY COFFERS TO BE MATCHED DOLLAR BY DOLLAR BY JONAH INCORPORATED. WE JUST WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND WE'RE NOT. I'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THRIVE. IT'S GONE NOWHERE. WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. WE NEED IT BADLY BECAUSE THESE ARE PUBLIC FUNDS. THESE ARE OUR DOLLARS. BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND THEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMMUNITY. with ownership. This has been going on since 2004. It needs to begin traction, especially with the kind of money that has been coming into our community.
- **0:36:52** [t=2212] **Speaker 99:** And it's not spread equally. And I'm sorry that we don't have a voice that comes to you and addresses these concerns to you monthly. But hopefully that will gain and gain traction, and we will engage in this process to create a better community.
- **0:37:11** [t=2231] **Speaker 100:** But we need your involvement. We need your assistance. Thank you.
- **0:37:18** [t=2238] **Speaker 102:** Thank you, Mr. Merlone. Councilperson Chalos.
- **0:37:22** [t=2242] **Speaker 105:** Mayor, could you come up and speak about the corridor? I think it's an important project.
- **0:37:29** [t=2249] **Speaker 107:** Thank you, Councilman Chalos.
- **0:37:32** [t=2252] **Speaker 109:** To be very direct, this council has actually helped us with three projects in this specific area previously referenced. The first is currently they've started pre-site development. That would be 13th and Holman. This was a transaction between the City of Terre Haute Redevelopment Commission and Indiana Railroad. So the total amount of jobs there continues to increase. We have a follow-up meeting with Indiana Railroad, Jordan and I, in April. We were supposed to do it on March 15th, but both of us have a second daughter being born in and around March 15th.
- **0:38:05** [t=2285] **Speaker 109:** But we are working with Indiana Railroad and two specific companies, one from Indianapolis and one from Chicago, to relocate to our community right there at that location. So you might have noticed that they've cleared out some of the trees. They are going to start doing some dirt work, but we've got a final presentation with them, hopefully end of April. The second project would be the Booker T. Washington renovation that we have discussed at the city council meetings. Maytree continues to meet with a couple contractors.
- **0:38:39** [t=2319] **Speaker 109:** What we're looking to do is add on to that facility, upgrade their multipurpose sports facilities, and continue to do some expansions there. It's looking to be a $2 million update that we would start hopefully next year. Do that through a build-operate transfer process. The third being a mixture of the Liberty Avenue project, but also traditional redevelopment housing as well I did go on site to two housing developments We were not doing a ton of work today for obvious reasons with the rain But we've started to see more housing finally start to pop up
- **0:39:12** [t=2352] **Speaker 109:** You know, and I want to be very direct here What we were doing up until the last two years, three years really, was not working We would tear a house down, get it on the tax sale, vacant lot sits, and then it sits, and then it sits. And then we say, well, hey, people aren't building here, right? That's a problem. And the problem gets even worse because as properties start to fall into disrepair, everyone in this room knows who buys these properties at the tax sale. The out-of-town slumbles. And it's continuing to be a problem in our community.
- **0:39:47** [t=2387] **Speaker 109:** So by using our public dollars to reinvest them here and increase our housing threefold, because that's how high we've increased our housing, we're finally starting to see quality housing units be built in and around the community, specifically in the inner city. So we are faced with a number of problems in Terre Haute. This council, you all have helped me specifically in this corridor with the three projects just mentioned.
- **0:40:12** [t=2412] **Speaker 110:** Thank you.
- **0:40:13** [t=2413] **Speaker 111:** is there
- **0:40:16** [t=2416] **Speaker 115:** councilperson is there any way I think Reverend Malone's family and I go back years to our grandfathers I think is there any way to create a situation where we can he said an adjunct committee but something where I think their voices just want to be heard in a lot of ways and maybe some brainstorming sessions I don't know if that's possible
- **0:40:42** [t=2442] **Speaker 109:** Yeah, I mean, I understand Councilman Talos. I've met with him and Jonas several times and shared with them the paperwork that's now being required by the federal government for the CBDG HUD funds. So HUD funding, as we've discussed, goes to CBDG as well as home funding. I know that's a lot of acronyms. So housing and urban development at the federal level distributes funds to municipalities and states. at the municipal level that goes to usually a redevelopment commission. It's cut up into community development block grants and home.
- **0:41:19** [t=2479] **Speaker 109:** Now there's this process that, you know, you've got to be a CHOTO certified organization, and that has been a challenge for this community. Currently we've got one CHOTO, which is Habitat for Humanity. We have sent those documents out. CHOTO.
- **0:41:35** [t=2495] **Speaker 121:** Councilman Hinton, I do not know what that acronym stands for, actually. I knew the other four.
- **0:41:40** [t=2500] **Speaker 125:** Say that again. Community Housing Development Organization.
- **0:41:45** [t=2505] **Speaker 121:** Community Housing Development Organization. So, and then Jordan continues to send that application out.
- **0:41:51** [t=2511] **Speaker 109:** It does require pretty expansive participation from their board and their organization.
- **0:41:59** [t=2519] **Speaker 128:** I think Mr. Malone would. I'll give you one more minute.
- **0:42:04** [t=2524] **Speaker 129:** Thank you.
- **0:42:05** [t=2525] **Speaker 99:** We have had numerous meetings with the mayor. with Jonah. As you heard tonight, even in the housing projects of Liberty Avenue, the people who are living in Liberty Avenue now cannot afford a $150,000 house. So what you're going to do is you're going to clean out that whole area. They don't want to help Jonah because they're not going to receive the tax funding because of how we're set up. Okay? So, yes, we have been legally advised not to become a chodo since we've been developed in 1997 and working with HUD funding.
- **0:42:50** [t=2570] **Speaker 99:** My request tonight is not HUD funding due to the fact, I know how the city council, the mayor has addressed this with us, even the state funding. State funding doesn't sit and fall under those requirements. This is federal dollars. So what about the state dollars? Okay.
- **0:43:14** [t=2594] **Speaker 137:** We're, like he said, not-for-profit
- **0:43:19** [t=2599] **Speaker 99:** is Jonah and Habitat. And we have been excluded numerous of years and just been able to receive crumbs falling off the table to build homes. When we come up with plans, as we've had in the past, for ownership, to create ownership, to create wealth in our community, for people that look like me, you have to have an opportunity. And this is what we have created. Even the plans that they for the High Community Center. We've already done that with more with a technology center built on the swimming pool plus the gymnasium. We can't be
- **0:44:06** [t=2646] **Speaker 99:** included in those conversations but that time has to stop and the only way it's going to happen is from this board. Some individuals like yourself, hopefully Mr.
- **0:44:18** [t=2658] **Speaker 140:** Thank you. Thank you.
- **0:44:20** [t=2660] **Speaker 31:** Is there anybody else from the public who would wish to comment on non-agenda items?
- **0:44:30** [t=2670] **Speaker 33:** At this time, a close public comment. Corrections to the journal of the preceding meeting.
- **0:44:38** [t=2678] **Speaker 144:** I jumped up too late. Just real quickly, just a couple of things. Just wanted to say that this evening I wanted to wish the mayor a happy birthday, and there's a new business in town, nothing but cakes, and Ms. Mila Fuller, the owner-operator, donated a cake this evening, and she wants to make sure that she's in District 1, that you all come support her business, and she is going to have an open house soon. I just wanted to say that. Thank you.
- **0:45:13** [t=2713] **Speaker 148:** That's very good.
- **0:45:16** [t=2716] **Speaker 150:** Corrections to the journal from the preceding meeting.
- **0:45:18** [t=2718] **Speaker 148:** There, Arnon.
- **0:45:19** [t=2719] **Speaker 150:** Communication from the mayor.
- **0:45:21** [t=2721] **Speaker 152:** Hey, good evening, Council President Dingle, members of the Terre Haute City Council.
- **0:45:26** [t=2726] **Speaker 109:** A couple of quick updates today. As you might have seen in the news, we have started demolition for the 13th and 8th Avenue overpass. We, I believe, we're up to six houses, three garages. Six houses, three garages. and then moving forward, we'll private contract out the rest. That's just what we were able to accomplish with our city crews. Once that gets to a certain point, then we move to right-of-way relocation. They have 270 calendar days to do that.
- **0:45:55** [t=2755] **Speaker 121:** The project is slated to go out for bid, the construction of the overpass itself. July of 2027 or June? I was... August. Oh, no. Did you add a month? August of 2027. Those in-dot projects are always fun.
- **0:46:12** [t=2772] **Speaker 109:** On the note of infrastructure, last year, or sorry, in 2024 into 2025, you guys approved $3.2 million for the Park Avenue main lift station. That project was going to cost 6.4, and we were going to split it over two years. We spent last year actually updating the designs because we felt like we could bring that 6.4 number down. because of that process we didn't have a contract to encumber the first 3.2 of the project so that amount went to the cash balance and the wastewater treatment plant or in the sanitary district account
- **0:46:49** [t=2809] **Speaker 109:** we did get a good change order and that price has been lowered from six four to about 5.3 so now instead of coming in for an appropriation for 3.2 we've been working with the contractor They think they can do 90% of the work this year, so we are working for the appropriation request, really using last year's funds that are currently in this year's cash balance to do that project. We will continue to work on that. I hope to have that by April. Quick parks update. We had our parks board meeting earlier this evening. Really good news over at Ray Park. We continue today.
- **0:47:25** [t=2845] **Speaker 109:** they agreed to issue a letter of support for a USTA grant to work with the United States Tennis Association on a large grant to help with an indoor tennis facility at Ray Park. The trail is slated
- **0:47:37** [t=2857] **Speaker 157:** to start April. As you can see, I phoned a friend there, the city engineer, in April. That is that
- **0:47:47** [t=2867] **Speaker 121:** trail that's the connection of the Riley Trail, and we're happy for that. A couple things I do
- **0:47:53** [t=2873] **Speaker 109:** want to hit. So the state legislators over and I'm very thankful for that because you don't get the time you spend in the state house chasing people around for two minutes of their time back. One of the good things is Senate Bill 279. Within that Senate bill, it used to be if David Kroenke here was in charge of Vigo County and we're the city of Terre Haute, he has a wheel tax. Now we need to have a wheel tax to be eligible for additional community crossing dollars. But you all live in the city which is part of his county so you would pay his wheel
- **0:48:24** [t=2904] **Speaker 109:** tax and our wheel tax. That went away after several long animated discussions with mayors and legislators. Now this double taxing relationship is over. If we want to be additional, if we want to be eligible for the third bucket of community crossing dollars, we're eligible for the first through our match program. The second is basically all Indianapolis but to be eligible for the third, we can add our own wheel tax and we would stop taking from theirs, the county's. So the county would have their dollars for their work. We would have ours for our dollars. I'm pricing it
- **0:48:59** [t=2939] **Speaker 109:** out now to see if we do ours. The current rate is $20. That's what everyone pays. So we're trying to do the math to say if we did 15, it would actually look like a discount when people register their vehicles. But the headlines would say, oh, city adds $15 tax. It's like, yeah, you're getting discount, but we're trying to figure out if that amount is the same as the current allotment that we're receiving from the county. So a little more analysis on that long-winded way of saying we actually got something passed that stops double taxation, which is a tall task. I do want to thank
- **0:49:33** [t=2973] **Speaker 109:** both of our legislators, Tanya Paff and Greg Good, for their support in those efforts. House Bill 1001 did pass. You might have heard about this House bill. You might hear the governor say that this is the affordability bill and he's super happy he did it. They quote a study saying 25% of the increased cost of housing is due to government regulation. Well, within that study, 90% of those costs are state and federal regulation. And instead they chose to attack the 10% of the 25%, so 2.5% of an overall cost increase. And I say that because they really went after local zoning,
- **0:50:10** [t=3010] **Speaker 109:** building codes, essentially removing area planning and city council favorable and unfavorable, or sorry, no-go or go build decisions. And a lot of it is opt out. In fact, almost the entire bill is opt out. Some of the things I do want us to do though is it says in there you either have to submit your zoning code by the end of this year or submit that you started to update it. I think we can all agree our zoning code does need updated. The last time we saw a big update,
- **0:50:38** [t=3038] **Speaker 165:** Correct me if I'm wrong, Councilman Nation was the C classification for downtown in the 2000s.
- **0:50:46** [t=3046] **Speaker 167:** Yeah, well, C8 and C9.
- **0:50:48** [t=3048] **Speaker 169:** We also did the very, very last one was 12 point setting in.
- **0:50:53** [t=3053] **Speaker 165:** Okay. Oh, that's right. That one did slip my mind. That one was C8 and C9. Perfect.
- **0:50:58** [t=3058] **Speaker 109:** So this would be an attempt for us to actually update our zoning. and I'm very, you know, I love our local attorneys here, but this is a project that we need someone who is not in the city of Terre Haute to do. Like, we need an objective look at zoning setbacks in those conversations, and I'm going to look for a firm to do that. And building codes have been updated with this administration. They'll continue to be updated. I'm not worried about that, but I do want to update our zoning code.
- **0:51:28** [t=3088] **Speaker 109:** There is language within House Bill 1001 that refers to what's called a UDO, Unified Development Ordinance. You see that a lot with, honestly, situations like us where the county and the city essentially makes up the county. We've started those conversations. I don't think we're going to get there this year, but I am pushing that conversation. It does not make a lot of sense to me that builders are held to different standards in the city and county. It just doesn't. Another thing is they attempted to fix Senate Enrollment Act 1. So I know there's going to be questions. Bear with me here.
- **0:52:04** [t=3124] **Speaker 109:** We are delaying from make a decision in 2027, pay in 2028, the change in local income tax structure. Now you would make that decision in 2028, and you would pay it in 2029. The good news is we can create a must task force, not the smell must, but a municipal unit something what s stands for and tax task force what does that mean folks that means if councilwoman hinton here is a county councilwoman we are the city the two of us the mayor county auditor in every township or municipal unit that receives income tax create a task force
- **0:52:46** [t=3166] **Speaker 109:** this summer and by october 1st submit a report to the state that is non-binding non-binding that says hey instead of the county and the city passing our own lit our own local income tax and a city resident paying both again double taxation we don't like that instead of that situation what is one county-wide income tax that we could all agree to and then we could all agree to how it's dispersed to these different municipal units. Councilwoman Loudermilk is smiling because that is literally the current system, basically, that we operate in. So we have somehow come back to
- **0:53:29** [t=3209] **Speaker 109:** this unified income tax discussion, which we should be grateful for. I am going to get some documents from AIM probably mid-April that will set a proposed timeline for how we do these meetings. we will need two to three council members to serve on that. My recommendation is the folks from the finance committee. Jessica Thome, city controller, and I will be very involved in these discussions with the council members who are on this. They will be open, so obviously the rest of you can come, but we're just trying to follow some of the loose guidelines under that bill.
- **0:54:04** [t=3244] **Speaker 109:** the next is senate bill 279 so this was a very interesting one because it started where if you're sleeping in a public right away you get the misdemeanor and then we were able to change it to where there's like a six-month waiting period they have to deny emergency shelter wraparound services what else did we get added they have to deny uh warming shelters if it's in the winter And basically, if you read through the bill, it does sound similar to the emergency detention procedures. The change would be they would go to a jail instead of a hospital.
- **0:54:40** [t=3280] **Speaker 109:** The benefit, though, that we did get kind of into the bill is if there are no beds available, you are able essentially to opt out of that, enforcing that law because there are not beds available. So it's not as bad as it was. That's what I'm basically trying to say. I think it's a very ill-intentioned bill. I did ask them to move the bill to next year when it was a budget year because my request was if you make us do this, then we have to have funding for homeless shelters. So like if we're going to go down this road, we got to do everything else right.
- **0:55:16** [t=3316] **Speaker 109:** And I'm a firm believer that if we did everything else right, this law wouldn't really matter. but now we have to go back next year to work on homeless shelter funding through permanent supportive housing which is also in HUD, Housing and Urban Development, which is at the federal level and it just got a 40% budget reduction. So the state's going to have to fill in that void because this bill really can't be enforced due to the lack of shelter space in the state of Indiana. I will stop there. I'm open for questions.
- **0:55:45** [t=3345] **Speaker 165:** I'm sorry, Councilman Chalas. I said I would do three and a half minutes. I think I'm at seven.
- **0:55:49** [t=3349] **Speaker 101:** Councilperson Boland.
- **0:55:53** [t=3353] **Speaker 177:** When you say beds available, is that any kind of shelter bed, including the jail beds, or is that just referred to the jail beds?
- **0:55:59** [t=3359] **Speaker 178:** I'm trying to get clarification on that.
- **0:56:02** [t=3362] **Speaker 109:** I am, initial reading of the bill, it does look like, for example, you wouldn't count the White House Mission beds because it's from a religious organization, so we're trying to get that language clarified on what beds available means for our community.
- **0:56:16** [t=3376] **Speaker 177:** We'd have to monitor that day by day by day?
- **0:56:19** [t=3379] **Speaker 109:** And I'm not sure, Councilman Bolin, how we could...
- **0:56:22** [t=3382] **Speaker 177:** Sounds like less government to me.
- **0:56:24** [t=3384] **Speaker 109:** Yes, yes.
- **0:56:25** [t=3385] **Speaker 165:** There are severe challenges with the current wording of the bill.
- **0:56:27** [t=3387] **Speaker 181:** I appreciate your work on all the things that you were dealing with through the legislative session. I know you spent a lot of time there on our behalf.
- **0:56:34** [t=3394] **Speaker 110:** Well, I tried to get the Chicago Bears, but they didn't give it to us.
- **0:56:41** [t=3401] **Speaker 182:** Thank you. Thank you.
- **0:56:43** [t=3403] **Speaker 183:** Thank you. Thank you. Reports from city officials.
- **0:56:49** [t=3409] **Speaker 185:** There are none. The cake is good.
- **0:56:53** [t=3413] **Speaker 186:** Reports from Board of Public Works and Safety. There are none. Reports from Standing Committees. There are none. Reports from Non-Standing Committees. There are none. Items previously tabled. There are none. Tax abatements for confirmation. There are none. Items on second reading. There are none. Items on first reading.
- **0:57:08** [t=3428] **Speaker 194:** We have one. General Ordinance 1, 2026. Amending City Code, Chapter 7, Article 3, Division 7, Fire Prevention Code. As a reminder, if you take action this week, you will need to vote to take action.
- **0:57:22** [t=3442] **Speaker 198:** Petitioner. Petitioner.
- **0:57:46** [t=3466] **Speaker 202:** Thank you.
- **0:58:16** [t=3496] **Speaker 204:** I'll let them end it.
- **0:58:20** [t=3500] **Speaker 205:** There's three different.
- **0:58:30** [t=3510] There's three different.
- **0:58:32** [t=3512] **Speaker 209:** There's three different than what we already have.
- **0:58:38** [t=3518] **Speaker 207:** We already have some.
- **0:58:41** [t=3521] **Speaker 212:** We've got four here unless they're different.
- **0:58:46** [t=3526] **Speaker 215:** All right.
- **0:58:58** [t=3538] **Speaker 219:** Good evening, Council. I had four ordinances specifically for fire ordinances within our IPI division that we were coming to change. Ordinance 1 and 3, excuse me, 2 and 4. Ordinance 2 and 4, I would like to table. There are a few issues with some state bills that might be changing some of these ordinances, so I'd like to get a little more clarification from them before we delve into it,
- **0:59:47** [t=3587] **Speaker 220:** and I think I can get that handled by next week. So Ordinance 2 and 4 I would like to table, but we can talk about Ordinance 1 and 3.
- **0:59:57** [t=3597] **Speaker 33:** Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on General Ordinance 1-2026? Hearing none, we'll close public discussion. Council?
- **1:00:18** [t=3618] **Speaker 219:** This ordinance I brought last November. You guys reviewed it. I gave you copies of it. but some of it kind of fell through the cracks, I think. Not all of it was distributed. Section 7 of Ordinance No. 1, Section 7-103.4,
- **1:00:44** [t=3644] **Speaker 220:** our false fire alarms were put in there, and I appreciate that. We are working on taking care of some of those problems we've had with the false alarm fires,
- **1:00:57** [t=3657] **Speaker 219:** but if you go farther into it, such as Section 7-105, the cost and fees were not put in there. We changed the fees within our inspections divisions to classify them as square footage of buildings.
- **1:01:22** [t=3682] **Speaker 220:** um most of the time it was you know 25 for all inspections but a an inspection of a daycare compared to the inspection of sony dadc that would take us two three four days depending on the inspection um obviously warranted a different price on that so we've we've adjusted
- **1:01:49** [t=3709] **Speaker 219:** the inspection fees on there as well as different types of inspections for sprinklers, suppression hoods, and the likes on the next page there. I'm open to any questions you may have, but this is
- **1:02:15** [t=3735] **Speaker 226:** Kind of something we went over last November as well.
- **1:02:21** [t=3741] **Speaker 230:** Mr. President, as a reminder, you'll need to vote to take action on general ordinance one. Thank you.
- **1:02:31** [t=3751] **Speaker 231:** House person Louder, ma'am.
- **1:02:33** [t=3753] **Speaker 232:** So I just want to make it public. To clarify, we did address this in November, but we did not adjust the fees in the ordinance, basically, as what did not get changed, right?
- **1:02:41** [t=3761] **Speaker 233:** Yes, ma'am.
- **1:02:43** [t=3763] **Speaker 235:** I believe you discussed it. We talked about it, but it wasn't actually in.
- **1:02:48** [t=3768] **Speaker 219:** Correct. Just the false alarm fires got put in, not the whole change of the ordinance,
- **1:02:54** [t=3774] **Speaker 220:** as well as general ordinance number three.
- **1:02:58** [t=3778] **Speaker 237:** I just wanted to make sure we had that on record, that we had all discussed that.
- **1:03:02** [t=3782] **Speaker 238:** Okay. Thank you. I yield.
- **1:03:09** [t=3789] **Speaker 58:** Mr. President.
- **1:03:10** [t=3790] **Speaker 243:** Councilperson Nation.
- **1:03:11** [t=3791] **Speaker 58:** So I remember the discussions that we had before, and I remember adding the section on false alarms. That hasn't been that long ago. But like all the other work that we act on or consider, this is formatted in such a way that when there's a change, the proposed change is underlined and what it's replacing is stricken through. And, you know, I've read all this. I've read it a couple of times in preparation for this meeting. And just one quick question here at the beginning on the first page, section 7-102.1. It looks like it's for apartment houses.
- **1:03:58** [t=3838] **Speaker 58:** We're going to change from fewer than 10 dwelling units to fewer than 8 dwelling units. Is that informed by like a change in state code or something like that?
- **1:04:09** [t=3849] **Speaker 220:** Yeah, that is part of the state code. And if you look through some of these ordinance changes, the Indiana state code has been stricken and the new Indiana state code has been put in there. One of those being a building that has been turned into apartments has been changed from 10 to 8.
- **1:04:31** [t=3871] **Speaker 58:** Yeah. And coming down in that same paragraph, there's language about exit signs on egress doors. There's nothing stricken out. So this is new language that's being added in. Yes, correct. And then also gas meters. Can you just talk about those a little bit and where that comes from?
- **1:04:50** [t=3890] **Speaker 219:** Well, let's start with exit signs, right?
- **1:04:56** [t=3896] **Speaker 220:** A lot of our commercial buildings, be it a business from 8 to 5, might also house living quarters where somebody, there might be a livable dwelling in the back or upstairs, wherever it may be. that requires it to have an exit sign per state code. So in order to make sure that all businesses have to have an exit sign regardless during their times of operation, but also putting the exit signs there for dwellings after hours as well, lit exit signs.
- **1:05:44** [t=3944] **Speaker 58:** And the way that I understand this stuff is that some of these properties that you're describing may have been developed under previous versions of the code or whatever and may not have this kind of exit sign, exit light equipment. but to be clear we're talking about exit signs and exit lights in common hallways
- **1:06:13** [t=3973] **Speaker 255:** that take you out of the building not inside the dwelling units themselves right
- **1:06:19** [t=3979] **Speaker 220:** right you're talking about an exit sign like this an exit out of the building that hopefully you can see in the event that there was a fire in the building
- **1:06:31** [t=3991] **Speaker 259:** yeah
- **1:06:34** [t=3994] **Speaker 58:** And don't get me wrong, most of the buildings I go into and the apartments that I'm in and upper floors of old buildings, they have all of this equipment. Sure. Because they've been developed as modern things with modern amenities. Gas meters?
- **1:06:52** [t=4012] **Speaker 219:** The gas meters. So this is a state code, but the gas meters, my inspection division have found a lot of gas meters that don't have the bollards around them. Or a new parking lot has been developed on, say, a side of a commercial building that maybe didn't have a parking lot there at one point in time. But the gas meter is there as well. So they come back and they do their inspection. there's a gas meter there without
- **1:07:25** [t=4045] **Speaker 220:** bullet protection where a vehicle could strike, pull into and strike that gas meter.
- **1:07:33** [t=4053] **Speaker 259:** Sure. So
- **1:07:35** [t=4055] **Speaker 58:** don't get me wrong, I'm not going to drag you through this whole thing point by point. I just wanted to say for the benefit of my fellow council members, all of whom I'm sure have also read this and have their own understanding of what you're proposing, this is all reasoned, the detailed stuff that I see makes sense to me. And as has been previously represented, I think that the main changes are that we're adding a fee schedule and upping fees where they're, you know, and adding more layers of fees. That's what it looks like to me. And, you know, in my opinion, they seem to be reasonable.
- **1:08:19** [t=4099] **Speaker 58:** It's not crazy. I see the language about false alarms.
- **1:08:25** [t=4105] **Speaker 255:** Is it substantially what we passed last year?
- **1:08:30** [t=4110] **Speaker 220:** It is verbatim what we passed last year, yes. It is just in the same ordinance of other items that didn't get added to it.
- **1:08:40** [t=4120] **Speaker 255:** Great. That's really all I had, and thank you for your patience with me. Yeah, no problem. Thank you.
- **1:08:52** [t=4132] **Speaker 276:** If there's no further discussion, I'd make a motion that we take action on General Ordinance 1-2026 as presented.
- **1:09:05** [t=4145] **Speaker 278:** Second. It's been moved by Councilperson Loudermilk, seconded by Councilperson. Mr. Chair, President. Yes.
- **1:09:12** [t=4152] **Speaker 283:** One moment, please. I said vote to take action.
- **1:09:16** [t=4156] **Speaker 246:** Are we waiting for Councilperson Chalos to return? Yes.
- **1:09:37** [t=4177] **Speaker 292:** Okay. It requires an immunity to move forward on the first vote.
- **1:09:44** [t=4184] **Speaker 294:** Thank you for catching that, Michelle.
- **1:09:46** [t=4186] **Speaker 297:** Thanks for that clarification.
- **1:09:47** [t=4187] **Speaker 298:** Yes. Let's discuss.
- **1:09:49** [t=4189] **Speaker 303:** And everybody's staring at him when he comes back.
- **1:09:54** [t=4194] **Speaker 305:** Or clap. Clap. Everybody clap when he comes through the door.
- **1:09:58** [t=4198] **Speaker 314:** I need to go back and enlighten him.
- **1:10:01** [t=4201] **Speaker 312:** Probably a false alarm.
- **1:10:06** [t=4206] **Speaker 315:** Do we know that he's coming back?
- **1:10:09** [t=4209] **Speaker 318:** The daughter is still here, so I forget. If you need a ride in a bus. I hope so.
- **1:10:14** [t=4214] **Speaker 322:** You thought you were sneaking out, man.
- **1:10:24** [t=4224] **Speaker 325:** At my age, as I'm talking, I have to take a pit stop.
- **1:10:29** [t=4229] **Speaker 327:** You need a unanimous vote.
- **1:10:30** [t=4230] **Speaker 0:** Now that we have all council members present, it's been moved by Councilperson Loudermilk,
- **1:10:37** [t=4237] **Speaker 31:** seconded by Councilperson DeBond, that we take action on General Ordinance 1-2026. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. Okay. I'm going to add to that. Take action on General Ordinance 1-2026.
- **1:10:51** [t=4251] **Speaker 333:** Mr. President. Councilperson Loudermilk. I'd like to make a motion that we approve General Ordinance 1-2026 as presented.
- **1:10:58** [t=4258] **Speaker 0:** Second. It's been moved by Councilperson Loudermilk, seconded by Councilperson DeBond,
- **1:11:04** [t=4264] **Speaker 31:** that General Ordinance 1-2026 be approved. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. Motion passes. General Ordinance 1-2026 is adopted. Next item of business.
- **1:11:17** [t=4277] **Speaker 194:** General Ordinance 2, 2026, Emitting City Code, Chapter 7, Article 2, Fire Prevention Code, Division 4, Fire Service Features.
- **1:11:28** [t=4288] **Speaker 342:** I do believe if you take no action, it will just carry over to next week.
- **1:11:33** [t=4293] **Speaker 344:** It's your wish that this be up.
- **1:11:35** [t=4295] **Speaker 345:** That's the table until next week.
- **1:11:38** [t=4298] **Speaker 0:** Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on General Ordinance 2, 2026? Hearing none, we'll close public discussion. Council?
- **1:11:51** [t=4311] **Speaker 31:** We have a motion to take action. General Ordinance 2-2026 will be heard again next week. Next item.
- **1:12:00** [t=4320] **Speaker 338:** General Ordinance 3-2026, Amending City Code Chapter 7, Article 2, Fire Prevention Code, Division 5, Fire Protection Services, you must vote to take action.
- **1:12:10** [t=4330] **Speaker 349:** Petitioner.
- **1:12:11** [t=4331] **Speaker 219:** Yes. So this is, again, just part of the fire protection system and our IPI division. We've been working with engineering and inspections here at the city, making sure we're all kind of all on the same page. This kind of just coincides with what my inspection division and all of them came up with on what should be inspected when the fire department comes in to do their aspect of the inspection on a new build or a remodel. specifically with sprinklers and standpipe systems, kitchen hood suppression systems. It's defined out.
- **1:13:06** [t=4386] **Speaker 219:** It's just a couple pages long here, but it just changes it up a little bit
- **1:13:12** [t=4392] **Speaker 220:** to make sure that my inspection division is checking it prior to signing off on approval for it.
- **1:13:21** [t=4401] **Speaker 31:** Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on General Ordinance 3-2026?
- **1:13:28** [t=4408] **Speaker 355:** Any more close public comment, Council?
- **1:13:32** [t=4412] **Speaker 354:** One question.
- **1:13:35** [t=4415] **Speaker 357:** Councilperson Azar. Existing commercial hood and exhaust system, which would affect restaurants, of course. Correct, yep. You're saying the property owner or tenant. Most of the time, if there's a change in the hood system, Corson or whoever, they're the ones that do this. Why wouldn't we want them to contact the fire department to let them know?
- **1:14:03** [t=4443] **Speaker 366:** Because they're going to know more about what needs to be done than the property owner.
- **1:14:07** [t=4447] **Speaker 219:** And I think we've been working more with Corson and those companies. Can you maybe help a little bit on this? I know it says the fire department will inspect, but the fire department will more or less green light it after everything's done from the companies that come out and do it. We're just ensuring that a company is coming out there to actually do it, such as Borson.
- **1:14:38** [t=4478] **Speaker 357:** So basically, though, the owner, property owner, or the tenant has to notify the fire department that it's going to be modified.
- **1:14:46** [t=4486] **Speaker 369:** That's basically what this says. Or contractor, yes.
- **1:14:51** [t=4491] **Speaker 356:** Well, it doesn't say that. I don't think. It says property owner or tenant.
- **1:14:56** [t=4496] **Speaker 370:** And one, it says the installing company shop. Where? Right up here. I'm sorry.
- **1:15:01** [t=4501] **Speaker 373:** Okay, maybe I didn't see it.
- **1:15:06** [t=4506] **Speaker 378:** Okay. That's any new installation.
- **1:15:08** [t=4508] **Speaker 382:** Thank you. I missed it. Okay. Perfect.
- **1:15:10** [t=4510] **Speaker 379:** I can add to this a little bit. This is something that our building inspection department and fire department didn't notice. as we were doing building inspections, the fire hoods fall outside of the building inspection,
- **1:15:21** [t=4521] **Speaker 385:** but a lot of times it requires work, it requires permits, and as we were talking to the fire department, we kind of got on the same page of, hey, we see this stuff, you see this stuff. It lets us work together a lot better on it.
- **1:15:35** [t=4535] **Speaker 357:** Well, I didn't see the part. Thank you. I missed it. Thanks. I yield. If there's no further questions, I move we take action on General Ordinance 3. Second.
- **1:15:51** [t=4551] **Speaker 31:** It's been moved by Councilperson Azar, seconded by Councilperson Latimer, that we take action on General Ordinance 3, 2026. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. You may nay attack. Take action on General Ordinance 3, 2026. Present. Councilperson Azar.
- **1:16:06** [t=4566] **Speaker 389:** I move that we approve General Ordinance 3, 2026 as presented. Second.
- **1:16:10** [t=4570] **Speaker 0:** It's been moved by Councilperson Azar, seconded by Councilperson Latimer, that General Ordinance 3-2026 be approved.
- **1:16:16** [t=4576] **Speaker 31:** All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those say nay. Motion passes. General Ordinance 3-2026 is adopted. Next item.
- **1:16:26** [t=4586] **Speaker 338:** General Ordinance 4-2026, Amending City Code, Chapter 7, Article 2, Fire Prevention Code,
- **1:16:32** [t=4592] **Speaker 194:** Division 6, Fireworks. As a reminder, if you take no action, it will carry to next week.
- **1:16:38** [t=4598] **Speaker 392:** And this is another one that you wish to make.
- **1:16:40** [t=4600] **Speaker 394:** Yes, I would ask you to take no action
- **1:16:42** [t=4602] **Speaker 220:** as it kind of coincides with General Ordinance No. 2. So, again, I just want to look those over with state code and make sure everything's right before we move forward.
- **1:17:00** [t=4620] **Speaker 0:** Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on General Ordinance 4-2026?
- **1:17:05** [t=4625] **Speaker 31:** Hearing none, we'll close public comment. Council? Is there a motion to take action? Okay, General Ordinance 4-2026 will be heard again next week.
- **1:17:15** [t=4635] **Speaker 399:** Thank you.
- **1:17:16** [t=4636] **Speaker 31:** Next item.
- **1:17:19** [t=4639] **Speaker 338:** Special Ordinance 1-2026, resounding property located at 2722 South Fruit Ridge area.
- **1:17:26** [t=4646] **Speaker 194:** You should have the proposed amendment at the top, okay, of your documents. And I do believe I forgot to print your area planning recommendations, but I did email them to you. It was favorable with a site plan approval. As a reminder, you must vote to take action. Petitioner.
- **1:17:51** [t=4671] **Speaker 410:** Council, thank you for your time and attention to this. My name is Ron Hodge. I own and run Valley Group Wealth Management. Our family has run that for just over 15 years. During that time, we've rented a space in a strip mall down in Riley but it's long been our desire to move into the city the city is our home and our community it's also very central to our client base as well and we found this property at 2722 South Fruit Bridge and thought it would be a great place to make our business home it is naturally in our opinion on the edge of housing and not in a residential
- **1:18:30** [t=4710] **Speaker 410:** block. It was one of the reasons we picked it. It's also on a major thruway with Fruit Ridge Avenue and close to road that way. Happy to answer any questions on context of it or intentions. We sought the plan development for the purpose of limiting the use of the property and making sure it adds value to the neighborhood and does not detract from it.
- **1:18:56** [t=4736] **Speaker 243:** Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on special
- **1:18:59** [t=4739] **Speaker 33:** ordinance 1-2026. Hearing none, we'll close public comment. Council?
- **1:19:06** [t=4746] **Speaker 194:** Mr. President, I would just, I worked with these individuals on this and the amendment was removing an unneeded setback variance and then adding language on physical, on
- **1:19:23** [t=4763] **Speaker 342:** on stating that it would revert back to R1 if it ceased to exist or anything like that. So there is that caveat put in there so that the neighborhood is protected that it would go back to R1.
- **1:19:43** [t=4783] **Speaker 414:** Councilperson Debon.
- **1:19:52** [t=4792] **Speaker 415:** If there be no discussion, I move that we take action on Special Ordinance 1-2026. Second.
- **1:20:01** [t=4801] **Speaker 0:** It's been moved by Councilperson DeBond, seconded by Councilperson Boland, that we take action on Special Ordinance 1-2026. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. We may now take action on Special Ordinance 1-2026. Councilperson DeBond.
- **1:20:16** [t=4816] **Speaker 415:** I make a motion that we amend Special Ordinance 1 as presented. Right? Yeah, okay, you're all looking at the other one. You got it.
- **1:20:30** [t=4830] **Speaker 0:** It's been moved by Councilperson DeBond, seconded by Councilperson Boland, that we amend Special Ordinance 1-2026. All those in favor say aye.
- **1:20:38** [t=4838] **Speaker 31:** Aye. Post say nay. Special Ordinance 1-2026 is amended. Councilperson DeBond.
- **1:20:45** [t=4845] **Speaker 426:** Mr. President, I make a motion that we approve Special Ordinance 1 as amended.
- **1:20:52** [t=4852] **Speaker 427:** Second.
- **1:20:54** [t=4854] **Speaker 31:** It's been moved by Councilperson Duvon, seconded by Councilperson Boland, that we approve Special Ordinance 1-2026 as amended. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those say no. Motion passes. Special Ordinance 1-2026 is adopted.
- **1:21:08** [t=4868] **Speaker 429:** Thank you very much.
- **1:21:09** [t=4869] **Speaker 431:** Thank you. Good luck.
- **1:21:11** [t=4871] **Speaker 31:** Next item.
- **1:21:11** [t=4871] **Speaker 197:** Resolution 3, 2026, approving an interlocal agreement concerning civil forcure.
- **1:21:25** [t=4885] **Speaker 198:** Petitioner.
- **1:21:30** [t=4890] **Speaker 441:** Good evening, Mr. President, members of the City Council.
- **1:21:33** [t=4893] **Speaker 444:** Michael Wright, City Attorney. Resolution 3 is an interlocal agreement concerning the seized asset fund that is administered by the county council through the joint combined drug task force that includes both city officers and sheriff's department. including, you know, at times federal officials participating in DTF investigations. So the State Board of Accounts indicated that they would issue a finding on this issue if we did not have an interlocal agreement in place governing the administration of those funds. heretofore it has been a process by which the prosecutor's office,
- **1:22:36** [t=4956] **Speaker 444:** who's the entity that oversees the seized asset funds, would make a request to the county council for a piece of equipment or training, and that issue would be voted up or down, and if it were approved, then that equipment or training would be procured through those funds. In essence, we are just cleaning up an issue at the behest of the State Board of Accounts. For all intensive purposes, this won't change the way that process works. It won't involve any more of your time as the county council is who oversees that, but you will obviously see the byproducts through offsetting, you know,
- **1:23:34** [t=5014] **Speaker 444:** otherwise money that the city would have had to spend for training or equipment.
- **1:23:42** [t=5022] **Speaker 445:** I'm happy to answer any questions.
- **1:23:44** [t=5024] **Speaker 243:** Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on resolution 3 of 2026?
- **1:23:47** [t=5027] **Speaker 33:** Hearing none, we'll close public comment. Council?
- **1:23:51** [t=5031] **Speaker 447:** Mr. President.
- **1:23:52** [t=5032] **Speaker 33:** Council person Loudermote.
- **1:23:53** [t=5033] **Speaker 449:** I believe we did this at the end of last year to clean up last year's. You know, Cheryl, we talked about it.
- **1:23:59** [t=5039] **Speaker 444:** We definitely talked about it. I know there was some question as to whether or not this body needed to approve it. Because in process, it's not something that ever comes before you for consent beforehand. But you obviously are impacted by the decisions that are made. So we thought it best to just wear belts and suspenders and make sure that it's all been approved by the county council, city council. County Commissioners, Mayor Sackbun.
- **1:24:47** [t=5087] **Speaker 452:** Just one of those things for State Board of Accounts. With that, I'll make a motion that we approve Resolution 3-2026.
- **1:24:55** [t=5095] **Speaker 454:** Second.
- **1:24:56** [t=5096] **Speaker 31:** It's been moved by Councilperson Loudermilk, seconded by Councilperson Hinton, that we approve Resolution 3-2026. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Those say nay. Motion passes. Resolution 3-2026 is adopted.
- **1:25:08** [t=5108] **Speaker 458:** Thank you very much. Next item.
- **1:25:11** [t=5111] **Speaker 463:** I was contacted by my friend Andrew Connor about this.
- **1:25:27** [t=5127] **Speaker 58:** Carl Ross's story is one that I've been aware of for some time. And I'm heartened that we're taking action to recognize him. It may be a little confusing to you that you were just handed a fresh version of this. I noticed that there was some confusion in the process. There was one version with four whereases, but it should have been the version with five whereases, and that's the one that was just passed out. So that's the one that we're considering, the version with five whereases, and I would like to ask Dee Reed, the author of Those Were Ases, to come up and talk about this, please.
- **1:26:12** [t=5172] **Speaker 468:** Good evening. I'm Dee Reed, Lost Creek Settlement historian. Let me share just a little bit with you about Carl Ross. Carl Ross is remembered for an extraordinary act of courage and selflessness that saved the lives of more than 50 people in Terre Haute. Carl Ross grew up in the Lost Creek community where he learned the values of hard work, faith and responsibility. He spent much of his life working in the coal mines and later as the custodian of the downtown YWCA. On the morning of September 19, 1961, he arrived for work and discovered a bomb inside the
- **1:26:55** [t=5215] **Speaker 468:** YWCA building. Rather than fleeing the building to save himself, he immediately warned the residents to evacuate and ran through the hall with the bomb. The device detonated just three feet from the exit of the building, taking his life. His actions gave 53 women, many of them ISU students, the precious moments they needed to escape to safety. To this day, tragedy remains unsolved. Carl Ross's heroism was instinctive and deeply rooted in care for others. His sacrifice ensured that families were spared unimaginable loss and generations of lives were
- **1:27:42** [t=5262] **Speaker 468:** preserved. While his story has publicly gone unrecognized, his actions stand as one of the most powerful examples of bravery and devotion to humanity in Terre Haute's history. I along with other Lost Creek descendants that are here this evening are also proud to call him Uncle Carl. Thank you.
- **1:28:07** [t=5287] **Speaker 58:** Thank you, Dee.
- **1:28:12** [t=5292] **Speaker 255:** I'd like to just go ahead and read this resolution into the record before we vote on it. It's resolution number 4, 2026, a resolution designating a memorial way at Seventh and Cherry Streets. Whereas Carl Ross, a respected member of our community, embodied service, selflessness, and bravery, and whose heroic sacrifice on September 19, 1961 remains unforgettable. And whereas in a moment of unimaginable danger, Carl Ross encountered an explosive device within the YWCA and without hesitation chose the safety of others and tragically lost his life.
- **1:28:51** [t=5331] **Speaker 255:** And whereas, through his decisive action in attempting to remove the explosive device, he successfully averted a horrific tragedy, preserving the lives of 53 women. And whereas, though his light was extinguished, his kindness enriched the lives of all who knew him and will always be remembered. And, whereas the Terre Haute City Council honors Carl Ross, a true hero, as part of our history and an example of the human spirit of our community, and we express our profound gratitude and sincere condolences to his family. Be it now, therefore, resolved.
- **1:29:38** [t=5378] **Speaker 255:** that the following one-block section of North 7th Street from Cherry Street to Larry Bird Avenue be designated as follows, Carl Ross Memorial Way. Be it further resolved that the Board of Public Works and Safety is hereby directed to prepare and erect a sign reflecting this Memorial Way designation at the intersection of North 7th Street and Cherry Street on a traffic signal light pole facing westbound Cherry Street traffic. This is a great story and a great way to honor the sacrifices made by Mr. Ross. Thank you, Dee, and everyone else who worked on this. I yield.
- **1:30:24** [t=5424] **Speaker 243:** Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on Resolution 4, 2026? Hearing none, close public comment.
- **1:30:31** [t=5431] **Speaker 195:** Council?
- **1:30:32** [t=5432] **Speaker 479:** Mr. President. Councilperson Hendon.
- **1:30:34** [t=5434] **Speaker 482:** Ms. Reed or family members, how far did the investigation go into resolving or solving this crime?
- **1:30:44** [t=5444] **Speaker 485:** I've tried to do as much research as I could, but only a few months after the explosion.
- **1:30:54** [t=5454] **Speaker 471:** Terre Haute Police Department did not have those records from that long ago. The newspaper articles indicated that bomb fragments were sent to FBI. I contacted the FBI through public information in Indianapolis because the newspaper articles had indicated that, and they referred me to the national portal, and I'm still awaiting their results.
- **1:31:20** [t=5480] **Speaker 488:** Is there a possibility that the case would be reopened?
- **1:31:24** [t=5484] **Speaker 489:** I honestly don't know. Thank you for your question.
- **1:31:29** [t=5489] **Speaker 482:** Thank you for doing the historical work in Lost Creek and throughout the city of Terre Haute. Thank you, family, for being here tonight.
- **1:31:39** [t=5499] **Speaker 490:** I yield.
- **1:31:41** [t=5501] **Speaker 414:** Council President DeBond.
- **1:31:43** [t=5503] **Speaker 426:** I'm somebody who really loves looking into Terre Haute history. I don't pretend to be an expert in it, but I certainly enjoy looking through it and learning as much as I can. And I'll be completely honest, I had never heard this story with Carl Ross. I'm very grateful that you all have brought this to us. And from what I've learned, it seems this recognition is very long overdue. So thank you all very much. I yield.
- **1:32:14** [t=5534] I agree.
- **1:32:18** [t=5538] **Speaker 497:** President. Councilperson Azo.
- **1:32:20** [t=5540] **Speaker 357:** If there's no further questions, I move that we adopt resolution 420.
- **1:32:24** [t=5544] **Speaker 497:** Second.
- **1:32:25** [t=5545] **Speaker 31:** It's been moved by Councilperson Azar, seconded by Councilperson Chalos, that we approve Resolution 4-2026. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. Motion passes. Resolution 4-2026 is adopted.
- **1:32:43** [t=5563] **Speaker 502:** President, I move to adjourn.
- **1:32:49** [t=5569] **Speaker 503:** Second.
- **1:32:50** [t=5570] **Speaker 504:** It's been moved by Councilperson Hazard, seconded by Councilperson Loudermoke. We adjourn. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. Carrot City Council stands adjourned. Thank you.
- **1:33:01** [t=5581] **Speaker 507:** I was sitting here making a decision. I didn't know. No.
- **1:33:05** [t=5585] **Speaker 509:** Okay. I wanted to give everybody a chance to participate.
- **1:33:09** [t=5589] **Speaker 511:** I was sitting here looking at you like...
- **1:33:11** [t=5591] **Speaker 512:** Well, I didn't know. I didn't ever hear anybody saying anything.
- **1:33:13** [t=5593] **Speaker 509:** I didn't even hear the story.
- **1:33:15** [t=5595] **Speaker 513:** I've never heard the story either. That's awesome.
- **1:33:17** [t=5597] **Speaker 514:** Not that it happened. Why do you hear the story?